tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post115686752016085465..comments2023-06-05T12:15:30.783+01:00Comments on East Ethnia: A midsummer night's skinhead attackUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1157210203740075342006-09-02T16:16:00.000+01:002006-09-02T16:16:00.000+01:00Certainly Eric but if the facts had been more accu...Certainly Eric but if the facts had been more accurate in the first place (media's responsibility to check the facts) that wouldnt give ammunition to revisionist types or those that want to deny that there is a problem in Seriba.<BR/><BR/>Remember initial reports said that two Israelis were attacked in a park by a group of Serb skinheads wearing nazi symbols.<BR/><BR/>It turns out that one was attacked, the other victim wasnt Israeli - or at least has joint Serbian / Israeli citizenship, that they were attacked in the bar at Tas, that the 'group of men' who attacked were two men, that one of them was American, that one of the men was not a skinhead (the other I cant be sure of since I havent seen a picture). I have been in all sorts of places in Serbia but have yet to see somebody wearing nazi symbols.<BR/><BR/>OK the media only re-report initial statements by police and the victim but it seems to me a little like some sections of the media were almost relished reporting this.Bg anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11684283179829016790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1157109355182308872006-09-01T12:15:00.000+01:002006-09-01T12:15:00.000+01:00OMG, and nobody writes about that in Croatia anymo...OMG, and nobody writes about that in Croatia anymore... I really should be reading more news in region... d'oh... thanks for info... anyway... :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1157060313659578552006-08-31T22:38:00.000+01:002006-08-31T22:38:00.000+01:00Keep in mind, though -- most of the new informatio...Keep in mind, though -- most of the new information is probably coming from the two accused people's lawyers. Their strategy seems to be not to deny the facts, but to cast doubt on the context.Eric Gordyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08743744653177736119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1157044217532944522006-08-31T18:10:00.000+01:002006-08-31T18:10:00.000+01:00Ok more on this story.The media (mainly the gutter...Ok more on this story.<BR/><BR/>The media (mainly the gutter press) in Serbia have published a photo of the US citizen. He's from LA but lives in Chicago - apparantly his father is Serb(ian?). They have published his name but I dont suppose there is much point putting it here.<BR/><BR/>Anyway the photo shows him sporting a bruised eye and he does have hair - short though it is.<BR/><BR/>He claims that this was an ordinary incident that took place in a bar at Tas and it had nothing to do with race or ethnic identity. It was to do with the fact that the Israeli allegedly pinched him on the 'rear quarters'. So disgusted was our US citizen that he got involved in a fight with the guy. In the interview the US citizen proudly tells us how he was arrested in 2001 for protesting the gay march in the centre of Belgrade. He claims his sister is living with a jew and that he shared a flat with a jew etc...<BR/><BR/>His message is clear and has been repeated by his lawyer. 'Ok I like giving gays a bit of a bashing, but who doesnt, I am not an anti semite'. My interpretation btw, not a quote.<BR/><BR/>He added that he didnt know that other Predrag guy until that evening and says the idea of him being part of a skinhead gang is ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>My conclusion is that the 'independent' media overreacted without checking the facts first. <BR/><BR/>I think what happened was an initial misunderstanding. Then the racial / religious and / or sexual based insults occured and the Israeli as the 'other' in the bar got the worst of it. Or maybe it did begin with the racial / religous insults.<BR/><BR/>Either way it looks like the Israeli guy was utterly outraged and went over the top on the skinhead angle. <BR/><BR/>Things like this always seem to happen in Serbia. Nothing is ever as it seems and things are hardly ever cleared up to anybodies satisfaction.Bg anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11684283179829016790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1156999724912657702006-08-31T05:48:00.000+01:002006-08-31T05:48:00.000+01:00Done! And welcome (back) in your new incarnation.Done! And welcome (back) in your new incarnation.Eric Gordyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08743744653177736119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1156972527960333872006-08-30T22:15:00.000+01:002006-08-30T22:15:00.000+01:00Zdravo Eric, could you please remove Balkan-Scisso...Zdravo Eric, could you please remove Balkan-Scissors from your blogroll. I deleted that blog and now have a new one with very strange name - Jugoslavija. The link is http://jugoslavijadruga.blogspot.com/<BR/>Who know, maybe you will like it even better!zdenka pregeljhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484903653746525806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1156967348958503422006-08-30T20:49:00.000+01:002006-08-30T20:49:00.000+01:00The more I consider it, though, the more this scen...The more I consider it, though, the more this scenario occurs to me: Predrag M's lawyer is calculating that the other person will probably be shielded by the US Embassy. This means that it is possible to transfer all the major blame onto the other person without consequence, and get a charge for a lesser offence against his client. This is just a projection, of course, but it may be plausible.Eric Gordyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08743744653177736119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1156965334291325802006-08-30T20:15:00.000+01:002006-08-30T20:15:00.000+01:00Yes, the story is looking odder. I'll have to keep...Yes, the story is looking odder. I'll have to keep watching it.Eric Gordyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08743744653177736119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1156960771296363542006-08-30T18:59:00.000+01:002006-08-30T18:59:00.000+01:00The plot thickens. The US citizen is the one that ...The plot thickens. The US citizen is the one that carried out the attack - he admitted it apparantly.<BR/><BR/>The other Predrag guy was the one who inititally verbally insulted the Israeli shouting 'ausvitz, ausvitz'<BR/><BR/>There is something a bit odd about all of this that I wondered about it from the outset. Not that the attack couldnt happen in Serbia. It could, but skinhead types are usually too brainless to know a Jew or Israeli. So I felt there was something else. One report suggests that Predrag and his US buddy heard them speaking yiddish.<BR/><BR/>It appears that either Predrag or the US citizen are not skinheads after all. But the Israeli guy is still claiming to having been attacked by skinheads.<BR/><BR/>Maybe further light will be shed on the situation in the next few days.Bg anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11684283179829016790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1156879864616586742006-08-29T20:31:00.000+01:002006-08-29T20:31:00.000+01:00this is rather depressing...this is rather depressing...cãorafeirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112438488077014984noreply@blogger.com