tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post116481286348726282..comments2023-06-05T12:15:30.783+01:00Comments on East Ethnia: Partnership for what?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1165151273366124012006-12-03T13:07:00.000+00:002006-12-03T13:07:00.000+00:00Naturally Shaina and believe me it didnt hurt when...Naturally Shaina and believe me it didnt hurt when Serbia signed up to US demands to give US troops a free pass if they are suspected of comitting war crimes on Serbian territory.<BR/><BR/>Sadly that went past the Serbian people with no debate whatever. And it was left to the Radicals to make a little gain from it.<BR/><BR/>The games nation states play.Bg anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11684283179829016790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1165088824196626562006-12-02T19:47:00.000+00:002006-12-02T19:47:00.000+00:00Katja said: "They just want more cannon fodder to ...Katja said: "They just want more cannon fodder to die in Iraq.<BR/>I could be wrong, I'd love to be wrong, but some how I don't think so."<BR/><BR/>Actually you may be on to something. According to a very respected Swiss newspaper: <BR/><BR/>"According to an NZZ inside source, Bush changed his mind on particaption in PfP only while already underway to Riga. The only explanation for the sudden change of course is said to be Belgrade's pledge to send troops to Afghanistan and Iraq.<BR/>All other NATO states obeyed promptly, except The Netherlands."Shainahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254890410995215990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1165088698648254142006-12-02T19:44:00.000+00:002006-12-02T19:44:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Shainahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254890410995215990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1164942455882521482006-12-01T03:07:00.000+00:002006-12-01T03:07:00.000+00:00At BG Anon, these are good points you raise, and s...At BG Anon, these are good points you raise, and silencing the Russian lobby has become rather more important given what sort of a nice guy (NOT) Putin has turned into.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1164907805437112372006-11-30T17:30:00.000+00:002006-11-30T17:30:00.000+00:00TK yes I suppose you're right, it has been used in...TK yes I suppose you're right, it has been used in the past as a precondition and yes precious little has changed re Mladic and Karadzic.<BR/><BR/>But I would add that it isnt that surprising that NATO and the tribunal have differing viewpoints. I mean one is a military institution that makes war and the other is one that is supposed to punish crimes of war.<BR/><BR/>The tribunal isnt supposed to bend over backwards to accomodate the internal political situation of a given country either whereas individual nation states which make up NATO might do so. Tony Blair, who has had a hardline stance on this issue, stated yesterday that Britain had re-evaluated the situation and agreed with the NATO decision.<BR/><BR/>If NATO membership has precious little impact as a carrot or stick on Serbia then you can imagine how little effect it has during an election campaign. To put it simply there is no chance whatever of Mladic being arrested / killed (I write this because I wont be at all surprised if he is shot resisting arrest) before elections in January.<BR/><BR/>Further, entry into P4P will likely help reformist parties (just a little bit) leading to a Democratic Party government which will resolve this issue at the beginning of their mandate.<BR/><BR/>Additionally its quite important that the Russian lobby within the armed forces are sidelined. They are increasingly so and this is another nail in the coffin for them.<BR/><BR/>I know that perhaps from where you are sitting this is just another example of international hyporcricy and inactivity but I'd ask you to bear these issues in mind too.Bg anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11684283179829016790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1164850825269609752006-11-30T01:40:00.000+00:002006-11-30T01:40:00.000+00:00They just want more cannon fodder to die in Iraq.I...They just want more cannon fodder to die in Iraq.<BR/>I could be wrong, I'd love to be wrong, but some how I don't think so.<BR/><BR/>maybe the carrot and stick approach isn't going to work and neither are rewards but I don't think this is going to get results either. I could be wrong, I'd like to be wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1164838598026018692006-11-29T22:16:00.000+00:002006-11-29T22:16:00.000+00:00Here in the news it was already said that Carla De...Here in the news it was already said that Carla Del Ponte wasn't pleased at all. <A HREF="http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2006&mm=11&dd=29&nav_id=221737" REL="nofollow">B92</A> has more details in Serbian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1164833026079124962006-11-29T20:43:00.000+00:002006-11-29T20:43:00.000+00:00@ bg anon: ICTY cooperation has always been held u...@ bg anon: ICTY cooperation has always been held up as a precondition for PfP membership. In fact, both Serbia and Bosnia have had earlier membership applications rejected because of a lack of cooperation with The Hague. I simply fail to see what has changed since then. I agree, however, that PfP membership is not a strong enough incentive. NATO seems to have recognized that and is simply throwing in the towel.T K Vogelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443120115121415471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1164822022966345912006-11-29T17:40:00.000+00:002006-11-29T17:40:00.000+00:00Well I sort of welcome this.I dont think the carro...Well I sort of welcome this.<BR/>I dont think the carrot or stick on NATO membership will impact on whether Mladic (or Karadzic potentially in the Bosnian case) will be handed over or not.<BR/><BR/>Is Del Ponte usually consulted in NATO decision making? I dont think they they have the same interests.Bg anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11684283179829016790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1164817832974324782006-11-29T16:30:00.000+00:002006-11-29T16:30:00.000+00:00Perhaps, except in this case Del Ponte appears not...Perhaps, except in this case Del Ponte appears not to have been consulted at all, according to wire reports, which makes me doubt your theory.T K Vogelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443120115121415471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9192194.post-1164815031950274492006-11-29T15:43:00.000+00:002006-11-29T15:43:00.000+00:00Well, K&M may be a class of their own, but this lo...Well, K&M may be a class of their own, but this looks a lot like the deal Croatia got with regard to Gotovina.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com